[rosacea] rosacea zinc sunscreen

From:  gnas_@_.edu 
Date:  Tue Mar 16, 1999  7:05 am 
Subject:  [rosacea] Talk with Dr. Sy
Linda Sy Tinted Zinco
Linda Sy and I just had a wonderful hour-long conversation over the phone. We discussed many topics including theories on the development of rosacea, and possible avenues for the treatment of rosacea. Both of us can learn a great deal from each other. But the bottom line is that we both want to help this group (and other rosacea sufferers). We both understand that this is an open forum for the discussion of personal experiences, success stories, theories, treatments, triggers and so on. We are both professionals and we both respect what each other has to say. One of the major topics we discussed dealt with the compounding of ingredients into creams and lotions. She was concerned with the overall product stability , compatibility of ingredients, microbiological contamination and clinical effectiveness. I absolutely agree with her hesitation and concerns. One cannot simply compound an ingredient or medicine into a cream and expect it to be therapeutic. In addition, you must also be extremely cautious of the choice in compounding pharmacies -- not all are created equally. I have suggested several compound formulations to various rosacea sufferers. Most notably, I had previously suggested a dimethicone-zinc oxide formulation. My overall intention is to give rosacea sufferers choices -- these choices are not always backed by double-blind placebo controlled studies. As a biomedical research scientist, my motto has always been "Always have a healthy skepticism to any medical or scientific data when viewing it for the first time". In fact, the second and third time I see that new data I say to myself "Well, that still has not been proven beyond a doubt". The fourth, fifth and sixth times I see that in peer reviewed medical and scientific journals, I think to myself "How interesting, maybe they are onto something" -- but I am still somewhat suspicious of the data or clinical implications. I need to see that same clinical data reproduced 7 times, from 7 different authors, of 7 different medical schools before I take the data as fact. This is the safest, most wise approach to anything in science or medicine. However, as a rosacea sufferer, I have first hand knowledge on the constant physical and emotional pain that you are going through. I myself have been through 5 years of hell. I also know, that it will be quite some time before great clinical studies are performed on rosacea sufferers. I should probably wait to give out advice or information until my book is out so that you can see the latest findings from international and national medical meetings, quotes from physicians, medical studies, clinical before and after photos, and anecdotal evidence. But, I want to offer advice right now -- in as cautious a nature as I know how. All the information that I give out should be checked and double checked by your physicians. The reason why I offered a suggestion for the formulation of a dimethicone-zinc oxide formulation was because: 1. Clinical biopsies of rosacea skin show that the facial dermal skin is much thinner when compared to controls. Some show a thinning of the epidermis (stratum corneum) while others show an overall thinning of the dermal connective tissue. Furthermore, most of these same rosacea sufferers state that they are much more sensitive to facial cleansers, moisturizers, wind, cold, and sun. Most of this reactivity is due to facial blood vessel dysfunction -- but some physicians also speculate that there may also be a problem with the barrier function of the skin. Such that an important part of the treatment regimen should be to restore that barrier function or to enhance the barrier function with topical products. a. To restore the barrier function, proper moisture and healing are key -- this is why I love the ingredients in Dr. Sy's oil. By the way please don't buy the supermarket equivalent of the oils. If you do but the oils separately -- buy them from a respectable cosmetics/herbal store from a company that manufactures quality, thoroughly tested products. The purity, synthesis, extraction and bottling are very important to the effectiveness of the oil (or for that matter, any product). b. To enhance barrier function, you can apply topical substances (that don't irritate the skin). Your group has found zinc oxide to be beneficial -- this is not surprising due to its chemical makeup. Titanium dioxide also has similar properties. However, one of the most beneficial substances to date is dimethicone. It is the primary active ingredient in many top of the line protective barrier creams, as well as anti-inflammatory and moisturizing creams. When I learned about the possible barrier dysfunction that may be present in some patients with rosacea, I researched the best topical ingredients to find something that we could use safely. I started with the professional skiers, windsurfers and life guards -- they need the best protection from the external environment. I found that certain private laboratories such as Collaborative Laboratories Inc. based in New York, had been compounding special formulations for these outdoor professionals -- with excellent results. Their primary active ingredient in their special formulation is dimethicone. They can combine this with micronized zinc oxide or titanium dioxide to offer sunscreen protection. They then sell this combination to various leaders in the cosmetic industry -- where the dimethicone-zinc oxide is then compounded into almost any moisturizer or sunscreen. The stability of this formulation is excellent - dimethicone prevents oxidation of the other ingredients. Furthermore, the dimethicone is an excellent non-greasy moisturizer . Addition of dimethicone to zinc oxide also makes the cream much easier to remove with facial cleansing -- so less chance of irritation. I personally have had excellent results compounding this formulation into noritate and various moisturizers. Furthermore, 5 different dermatologists in the Pittsburgh area are now recommending this same formulation base to anyone with extremely sensitive skin. Most importantly, my findings have now been backed by a recent peer-reviewed medical article (Cutis 61(5):344-346, 1998 Effective sunscreen ingredients and cutaneous irritation in patients with rosacea), Drs. Nichols and Lebwohl found that the skin of all rosacea patients absolutely loved dimethicone (and its cousin cyclomethicone). In fact, when dimethicone was compounded into sunscreens that were proven to be extremely irritating, the patients noticed a significant decrease in irritation. This is great news. This dimethicone-zinc oxide combination is definitely worth a try -- but please proceed with caution and always ask for advice from your doctors. I would like to talk about other topics that Dr. Sy and I discussed, but I am tired and need to reacquaint myself with my fiance. I really enjoyed talking to Linda and I am glad that she is onboard! Geoffrey ======= Dr. Geoffrey Nase Ph.D. Microvascular Physiologist